Brake Master

Please restrict your questions and replies to Capri related technical issues!
Post Reply
User avatar
BertCapri
Posts: 23
Joined: Thu Jun 09, 2022 5:43 am
Car(s): 79'3.0S + 79 2ltr

Brake Master

Post by BertCapri »

Hi guys and Girls,
just needing some more help identifying this brake master cylinder please,
want replace but want make sure i getting the right one, thanks.
3 brake line, 22 stamped on cylinder,

Image

Image
Mc Tool
Donator
Donator
Posts: 1969
Joined: Sat May 17, 2014 8:34 pm
Car(s): 1980 mk3 capri 2l ohc T9 , Toyota Blade Master 3.5l V6, Paso , 850T,rd400, 900ss
Location: Invercargill New Zealand

Re: Brake Master

Post by Mc Tool »

why do you want to replace it ? Looks OK from the outside . You can get new seals for them if you just want to freshen it up a bit. Im sure there will be a tutorial vid on you tube showing how to do the job :)
Sometimes I talk to myself ... and we both have a good laugh
Caprigear
Donator
Donator
Posts: 2448
Joined: Thu Jan 27, 2011 9:14 pm

Re: Brake Master

Post by Caprigear »

It looks like a ATE one for a 2.8i. They aren't available new, you'll have to have yours refurbished.
Image
User avatar
BertCapri
Posts: 23
Joined: Thu Jun 09, 2022 5:43 am
Car(s): 79'3.0S + 79 2ltr

Re: Brake Master

Post by BertCapri »

Mc Tool wrote: Mon Jun 13, 2022 9:14 pm why do you want to replace it ? Looks OK from the outside . You can get new seals for them if you just want to freshen it up a bit. Im sure there will be a tutorial vid on you tube showing how to do the job :)
Rebuilt with new kit already still not working, yes looks lovely, but must be something wrong with it, thanks Mc tool.
Last edited by BertCapri on Tue Jun 14, 2022 3:03 am, edited 1 time in total.
User avatar
BertCapri
Posts: 23
Joined: Thu Jun 09, 2022 5:43 am
Car(s): 79'3.0S + 79 2ltr

Re: Brake Master

Post by BertCapri »

Caprigear wrote: Mon Jun 13, 2022 9:16 pm It looks like a ATE one for a 2.8i. They aren't available new, you'll have to have yours refurbished.
Been rebuilt already, still no joy, is there no replacement, wow that is weird, so brake booster is different on ATE as well ??? and replacement 2.8 ones from capriclub are different ? i thought so hence the question, hummmm
Thanks Caprigear.
Mc Tool
Donator
Donator
Posts: 1969
Joined: Sat May 17, 2014 8:34 pm
Car(s): 1980 mk3 capri 2l ohc T9 , Toyota Blade Master 3.5l V6, Paso , 850T,rd400, 900ss
Location: Invercargill New Zealand

Re: Brake Master

Post by Mc Tool »

What is it doing ....or not doing ? The cylinder can be resleeved if its either worn or corroded , and you can usually see that with the eyecrometer.
Sometimes I talk to myself ... and we both have a good laugh
User avatar
BertCapri
Posts: 23
Joined: Thu Jun 09, 2022 5:43 am
Car(s): 79'3.0S + 79 2ltr

Re: Brake Master

Post by BertCapri »

Mc Tool wrote: Tue Jun 14, 2022 3:58 am What is it doing ....or not doing ? The cylinder can be resleeved if its either worn or corroded , and you can usually see that with the eyecrometer.
really poor brakes has been long time, cleaned bore looked pretty good. rebuilt all new seals, Rear bleeds fine, front passenger side bleeds fine, drivers side just pushes air constantly no matter how long you try bleed it ??? no leaks, fluid stays in system never drops while driving the car, so air coming from somewhere ???
User avatar
Goz
Posts: 15
Joined: Fri Sep 08, 2017 2:33 pm
Car(s): Ford Capri mk2 1600GL, BBC slingshot dragster build project. 1200 Bandit daily driver

Re: Brake Master

Post by Goz »

have you got it piped correctly? it looks to me like the two outlets at the front are piped to one front brake and the rear line into the other? then the rear outlet, the pipe wiggles its way across the engine bay to the other front brake? i thought both front brakes are fed off the front of the master cylinder?
Mr B
Donator
Donator
Posts: 537
Joined: Fri Dec 09, 2016 9:07 am
Car(s): Four 3 litre Capri's and 2 Mark 1 GXL's

Re: Brake Master

Post by Mr B »

Goz wrote: Tue Jun 14, 2022 10:31 am have you got it piped correctly? it looks to me like the two outlets at the front are piped to one front brake and the rear line into the other? then the rear outlet, the pipe wiggles its way across the engine bay to the other front brake? i thought both front brakes are fed off the front of the master cylinder?
:agree:

What a good spot that is.

Wayne
If an honest man is wrong and after demonstrating that he is wrong he either stops being wrong or stops being honest
User avatar
BertCapri
Posts: 23
Joined: Thu Jun 09, 2022 5:43 am
Car(s): 79'3.0S + 79 2ltr

Re: Brake Master

Post by BertCapri »

Goz wrote: Tue Jun 14, 2022 10:31 am have you got it piped correctly? it looks to me like the two outlets at the front are piped to one front brake and the rear line into the other? then the rear outlet, the pipe wiggles its way across the engine bay to the other front brake? i thought both front brakes are fed off the front of the master cylinder?
Cheers Goz, i will switch them around and try bleed them again, hopefully that improves things.
User avatar
Peter-S
Donator
Donator
Posts: 7277
Joined: Mon Jul 28, 2008 7:57 am
Car(s): 1985 Capri 2.0
1983 Capri 2.8i
Location: Kent
Contact:

Re: Brake Master

Post by Peter-S »

If the pipe change doesn't sort it the ATE master cylinder for a Granada will fit. It has a slightly bigger bore but does the job and still seems available.
ImageBanner by Peter Smith, on Flickr
Mc Tool
Donator
Donator
Posts: 1969
Joined: Sat May 17, 2014 8:34 pm
Car(s): 1980 mk3 capri 2l ohc T9 , Toyota Blade Master 3.5l V6, Paso , 850T,rd400, 900ss
Location: Invercargill New Zealand

Re: Brake Master

Post by Mc Tool »

Huh , I thought ( very briefly ) that them pipes didnt look 100%, but didnt twig :doh: .....well spotted Goz
Sometimes I talk to myself ... and we both have a good laugh
User avatar
BertCapri
Posts: 23
Joined: Thu Jun 09, 2022 5:43 am
Car(s): 79'3.0S + 79 2ltr

Re: Brake Master

Post by BertCapri »

Peter-S wrote: Tue Jun 14, 2022 5:27 pm If the pipe change doesn't sort it the ATE master cylinder for a Granada will fit. It has a slightly bigger bore but does the job and still seems available.

Good to know Peter, what year, i got a 94 Granada shell just sitting had a 2.9 in it we took few years ago for something else, will take look tomorrow if Master still there and if its similar or any good,
Thanks again Peter,
Caprigear
Donator
Donator
Posts: 2448
Joined: Thu Jan 27, 2011 9:14 pm

Re: Brake Master

Post by Caprigear »

The larger bore ones haven't been available from my usual outlets for some time now. Past Parts can properly refurbish the original ones, far better than simply sticking in a set of seals.
Image
User avatar
BertCapri
Posts: 23
Joined: Thu Jun 09, 2022 5:43 am
Car(s): 79'3.0S + 79 2ltr

Re: Brake Master

Post by BertCapri »

Caprigear wrote: Tue Jun 14, 2022 10:28 pm The larger bore ones haven't been available from my usual outlets for some time now. Past Parts can properly refurbish the original ones, far better than simply sticking in a set of seals.
Thanks Caprigear, may come to that down the road, for now just want try diagnose these brakes, see if i can get them working better ASAP, before sending anything away to be referbed :headscratch:
Mc Tool
Donator
Donator
Posts: 1969
Joined: Sat May 17, 2014 8:34 pm
Car(s): 1980 mk3 capri 2l ohc T9 , Toyota Blade Master 3.5l V6, Paso , 850T,rd400, 900ss
Location: Invercargill New Zealand

Re: Brake Master

Post by Mc Tool »

Master cylinders are like spark plugs and tires in that there are heaps of different makes but they are all the same size for size .
Go buy a 3/4 tamdem ( dual ) master cylinder off some jap car. The biggest thing is to get the same dia and the mounting flange needs to have the same bolt hole spacing ....or be close enough to make it fit .
My mk2 escort had a Fiat 132 master cylinder on it , bolted straight on AND had remote resiviors which is what I really wanted (had to fit under the delorto's ), and it was 1/4 the price of a proper ford one
Sometimes I talk to myself ... and we both have a good laugh
User avatar
BertCapri
Posts: 23
Joined: Thu Jun 09, 2022 5:43 am
Car(s): 79'3.0S + 79 2ltr

Re: Brake Master

Post by BertCapri »

Caprigear wrote: Mon Jun 13, 2022 9:16 pm It looks like a ATE one for a 2.8i. They aren't available new, you'll have to have yours refurbished.
Seems Apparently they can be got new, i just ordered one fingers crossed,

Image
Post Reply