Project "Scorpio"

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Project "Scorpio"

Postby hellum » Mon Nov 27, 2017 6:12 pm

Let me first introduce myself; I am Gerard Nieborg a webdeveloper from the Netherlands. A couple of years ago I bought my first car: a Ford Capri from 1979. Last summer I did a lot of work to the car to make it pass APK (MOT), it was mostly welding, fillier, sanding and painting. The car passed, without problems.

So this is my car:
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Before I start to complain I must say: I really love this piece of rust! There are some problems with it: it's always been noisy, runs on 3 cilinders, leaks oil everywhere (probably too much for the next APK) and sometimes doesn't want to shift gears.

It's been noisy since the day I got the car. Last year I bought a 5 speed gearbox (T9) from a Ford Sierra. At that moment I was convinced the car would be a more quiet with a 5 speed gearbox. I wanted to put that gearbox in my car. Eventually came to the conclusion that the 1.6 Liter engine isn't strong enough for a 5 speed gearbox, so left it in my garage.

So I came up with another plan: I was going to put in a 2 Liter Ford OHC engine: It will bolt in straight away and it's not too hard too make it street legal. The biggest problem was finding an engine (at least one I could afford), a 2 Liter engine will set you back around € 400 - €500, some are cheaper but have to be completely rebuild. The injection version can set you back even more, around € 500 - 800.

I have been searching for quite a long time and couldn't find anything within the Netherlands. So constantly I checked sites like Ebay, Autoscout24 and Marktplaats. Eventually I found a cheap Ford Scorpio 2 Liter on "Ebay Kleinanzeigen" in Germany, near Osnabrück. So a couple of weeks ago I went there to check the car out (3 hour trip :drive: ). The car looked like it was exactly what I was looking for. It only had one small problem: the engine doesn't run :whistle: . So a week later we went to germany with a towtruck to pick up the Ford Scorpio. The Scorpio was just € 300 and it's a complete car with all the parts still on it.

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This is where I am at right now:
- I have a badly running Ford Capri
- A loose Ford T9 Gearbox
- A none running Ford Scorpio

So: what am I going to do this winter:
- Find out what's street legal and what's not. (Done)
- Take the Scorpio home (Done)
- Make the Scorpio run
- Take the Scorpio apart (maybe sell some parts)
- Clean / (Rebuild) the 2 Liter OHC
- Take out the Capri drivetrain
- Try to make the Scorpio steeringrack work in the Capri
- Put the Scorpio engine with Sierra gearbox in the Capri

I hope you guys thinks this is interesting, I plan on keeping the updated as I get more stuff done on the car. Truth be told: I have never done anything like this before.
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Re: Project "Scorpio"

Postby Andrew 2.8i » Mon Nov 27, 2017 7:34 pm

Hi,
It sounds like a reasonable first project, hopefully you won't come acroos any major issues. However, fitting the steering rack might be a bit of a bother. If you would like PAS why not fit a 2.8 rack instead?
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The Scorpio looks to be almost a complete car. By stripping it for parts to sell you should be able to get your money back, and maybe even a little extra to help finance your project.

I look forward to reading updates.

Good luck!

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Re: Project "Scorpio"

Postby Jasonmarie » Mon Nov 27, 2017 9:11 pm

Hi
What a great project and many of us will be watching .... :beer:
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Re: Project "Scorpio"

Postby Shederic » Tue Nov 28, 2017 1:05 pm

Best of luck, looking forward to following this project

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Re: Project "Scorpio"

Postby Caprifan Rob » Tue Nov 28, 2017 9:12 pm

Shederic wrote:Best of luck, looking forward to following this project

:agree: Great to see an interesting fresh project starting :goodluck:

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Re: Project "Scorpio"

Postby hellum » Tue Nov 28, 2017 9:54 pm

Time for an update.

So what’s up with the Scorpio? The previous owner did a lot of work to the car. He wanted to restore it completely. The guy has done a lot of welding on the car already, also put on new break lines, a new radiator, new tires and a new timing belt.

Why did he stop? He told me he didn’t have enough time to finish car. I personally think he didn’t anticipate the amount of rust on the car and just gave up on it. You can poke through the bottom near the rear axle and the sills are completely gone on both sides.

Then there’s still the main question: Why doesn’t it run? Well it might, I haven’t tried it yet. When the previous owner replaced the timing belt, he forgot to put back the timing belt guide. When I checked out the car he showed it to me and told me he was too scared to start the car, because the timing belt would probably come loose.

We did however take out the spark plugs and did a compression test with a starter booster. It turned around fine (so the timing is correct) and had more or less equal compression on all four cylinders.

To even try to start the car I have to put the timing belt guide back in. Unfortunately it got lost in transport, so I had to order a new one. The new one arrived today! This Saturday I will put it in, so I can finally try to start the engine! :woot:

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Re: Project "Scorpio"

Postby Paul G » Wed Nov 29, 2017 5:54 pm

Looks like a good project and the Capri looks great.

I agree with what Andrew said about using the 2.8i power steering rack - possibly some 2.0(V6) and 2.3(V6) models in Europe were also fitted with power steering.

If your Scorpio engine is a fuel injected you will also have to fit a 2.8i fuel tank due to the need for a swirl chamber for the injection system to function correctly.

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Re: Project "Scorpio"

Postby Peter-S » Wed Nov 29, 2017 5:55 pm

hellum wrote:- Try to make the Scorpio steeringrack work in the Capri


Might be possible but I would have thought the Capri rack is somewhat narrower.

Good luck with the project anyway, I'll be keeping an interested eye out.
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Re: Project "Scorpio"

Postby Not_Anumber » Thu Nov 30, 2017 9:39 pm

so long as the 2 litre engine in the Scorpio is another Pinto (rather than the DOHC which some Scorp[ios had) then it should a very straightforward conversion. As others have said you may need to think about a fuel tank from a 2.8 Injection if you are running fuel injection. Otherwise it should just be plug and play

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Re: Project "Scorpio"

Postby hellum » Fri Feb 02, 2018 11:13 pm

Long overdue for an update.

Around Christmas I replaced the timing-belt and the washer. Cleaned the spark-plugs and put in a battery. The car ran right away. To make room to in the car, I simply cut the front out of the car.

Kinda reminds me of Roadkill, but hey it works
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So the engine ran for a short while and car moved on it’s own, so I decided to pull the engine from the car. I started by removing everything from the engine bay, that I could (which was way more then I expected).

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After that I cut the bolts that connect the gearbox to the driveshaft, couldn’t get them loose and I honestly couldn’t care less about that automatic transmission. Then I simple removed the engine with the gearbox attached using a small engine crane. Everything went well, until I damaged a seal in the gearbox (which I didn’t drain). The oil was everywhere in the shed.

When I was done cleaning up my mess, I removed the gearbox from the engine and put it on an engine stand.

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And I sold Scorpio, the guy paid me what I paid for the complete car, So I can’t complain: free engine!

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Re: Project "Scorpio"

Postby hellum » Sat Feb 03, 2018 9:47 am

Don't think this needs any explaination, although the project is going really slow. I can only work on it on saturdays and only when nothing else comes up.

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I am facing a problem right now, I can't get crankshaft bolts out, I don't have the guts to use a hammer because I am afraid I will break off the bolts.

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Re: Project "Scorpio"

Postby Peter-S » Sun Feb 04, 2018 12:07 am

hellum wrote:
I am facing a problem right now, I can't get crankshaft bolts out, I don't have the guts to use a hammer because I am afraid I will break off the bolts.


What are you using? Possibly a longer handled wrench. A torque wrench should do it.
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Re: Project "Scorpio"

Postby Not_Anumber » Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:22 am

Is it the crankshaft bearings that are tight ? They do take a bit of force but as has been said a longer bar or wrench will help. I tackled them with a length of iron gas pipe on a T bar when i last rebuilt a Pinto engine. Get someone to hold the engine steady or if no one is available jut put the engine up against a wall when you undo the bolts.

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Re: Project "Scorpio"

Postby hellum » Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:20 pm

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And it's completely apart, next step: Machine shop