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1973 Capri Gearbox

Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2020 2:59 pm
by Hopper
Good day all.

I'm planning to take a few Capri bits back to the States with me when this Corona drama is over, to for my project 1973 Mercury Capri that has a V6 2.6 engine.

The engine is coming out of the car due to bodywork issues and will be sent to a workshop for a rebuild, the plan after that is to install a T9 five speed box from a XR4Ti using a longer input shaft it should then be suitable for the V6.

The thing is this Capri does not have the usual type E gearbox, its got some strange box with the linkage running down the side, I assume this is a German effort, so the question is, will the bellhousing of this german box line up with the T9? or am I going to have to huntdown a 2.8i bellhousing and drag it across the Atlantic?

Also whats name is this box referred to as in Ford circles?

Regards

Michael

Re: 1973 Capri Gearbox

Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2020 6:55 pm
by Bug
I once removed a 4-speed external linakage box from a 2.0GL and replaced it with a 5-speed. It bolted straight up to the pinto block, no problem.
I believe it will do the same with your 2.6 (Cologne) engine?
You may however, need to change the cross member, or fabricate a new one to get the mounting holes lined up. I did it by getting the outer flanges cut off and welded back in line using a bit of box section either side.
You may also find your prop shaft is the wrong length?
I think Martin, from Caprigear will be able to give you the exact specs you'll need, as I did this mod over the weekend that Princess Diana died. So a fair way back in the dim distant past.

Re: 1973 Capri Gearbox

Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2020 7:29 pm
by Hopper
Thanks Bug

One point I failed to mention and its quite important for getting the full picture, the XR4Ti in the states did not have a V6 engine, it had a Lima 2.3 straight 4, which features a different bellhouse pattern from the V6, and a different size input shaft.
So I'm wondering will the current bellhousing that fits the 2.6 engine up to the german box, fit up to the t9 at the box end?

Michael

Re: 1973 Capri Gearbox

Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2020 6:49 am
by Bug
Hopper wrote:
Tue Jun 09, 2020 7:29 pm
Thanks Bug

One point I failed to mention and its quite important for getting the full picture, the XR4Ti in the states did not have a V6 engine, it had a Lima 2.3 straight 4, which features a different bellhouse pattern from the V6, and a different size input shaft.
So I'm wondering will the current bellhousing that fits the 2.6 engine up to the german box, fit up to the t9 at the box end?

Michael
Ah, ok, well then disregard all I said, except maybe the bit about talking to Caprigear. ;)

Re: 1973 Capri Gearbox

Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2020 2:39 pm
by STEVEW
Hi Hopper,

To answer your question: The Ford designation for the gearbox with the external linkage is, Type H.

Here is an extract from the :ford: manual.
“The ‘E’ transmission is fitted only in conjunction with the 3,0 litre engine; the ‘H’ transmission is available in two versions (standard and heavy duty). The heavy duty transmission is available only in conjunction with the 2.3 litre engine.”

I believe that in this extract the 3.0 litre engine above refers to the Essex motor and the 2.3 engine refers to the Cologne 2.3 V6, which is designated as the “C” motor in the Ford manual.
As the “Lima” in-line-four engine is known as the “Pinto” in Europe then, logically the T9 gearbox you want to install was mated to a 2.3 Pinto motor.

The :ford: manual also states in a "Transmission Application Table" that the “H” type gearbox was fitted to some 1.6 & 2.0 Pinto motors (Ford designation Type “B”.

Unfortunately, I am not aware that any European Capris were built with 2.3 Pinto motors. (2.0 litre ones being the maximum.)
However, if a US spec Pinto motor shares the same block as a European spec 1.6 / 2.0 litre Pinto then I think you need to talk to someone who has replaced a Type "H" gearbox with a T9 box in a European Capri with a Pinto motor.

As 'Bug' warned, you may have to modify the crossmember.

I’m afraid this is the best I can do to help!
Good luck!

Re: 1973 Capri Gearbox

Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2020 3:07 pm
by Not_Anumber
Wouldn't a standard 4 or 5 speed type 9 box from a UK spec 2.8i fit this engine ? Surely the 2.6 was just an underbored 2.8

Re: 1973 Capri Gearbox

Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2020 1:15 am
by Mc Tool
I think the 2.3l us pinto and the uk 2.0l ohc are two whole different animals , bout the only thing in common is the "4 cyl ohc" bit . If the heavy duty type H box came with the 2.3l pinto only ......Id be sprized if bell housing bolt patterns on that pairing was the same as a 2.0l pinto and/or a t9. Dont know fer sure. :D

Re: 1973 Capri Gearbox

Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:53 am
by Not_Anumber
Its a tricky thing to answer- whether a version of the type 9 gearbox made for a 2.3 Lima cylinder engine that wasnt sold in the UK would fit a 2.6 Cologne engine.
Safest response. buy a type 9 gearbox from a 2.8i with its standard bellhousing. Ensure clutch driven plate on the 2.6 engine is compatible , bolt together and install with appropriate starter motor and gearbox crossmember. . Sell XR4TI gearbox if owned or avoid buying it if not yet purchased.

Re: 1973 Capri Gearbox

Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 12:36 am
by Mc Tool
Did a bit of google between 2.0l and 2.3l bellhousings .....apparently the top 2 bolt holes are different spacing ,but the other 4 are ok , some fit the 4 bolts that do fit and call it done. And by mixing parts the starter and clutch can be sorted . Bolt pattern on crank is different.. there is a site that lists all ford bell housing bolt patterns .