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Engine Swap - Pinto 1600 to Pinto 2000
Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2019 7:13 pm
by Cosmicbike
Righty ho, I've found a 2ltr pinto with a bit of history as opposed to a gamble on Ebay, and tempted to add it to the list of changes to D332 over the Winter, rather than continue to run the tweaked 1600 (which in fairness is going really quite well at the moment).
Aside from the flywheel and clutch being different, would I need to change anything else? I appreciate the final drive ratio is a little different, but probably not enough to be concerned about. The current gearbox is a 5 speed so should be a straight fit I believe, which only leaves the braking side of things, From spec sheets the discs and drums are common from 1600 to 2000 engines, but am I right in thinking the master cylinder is different?
I can't be too hard can it??
Re: Engine Swap - Pinto 1600 to Pinto 2000
Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 12:22 am
by Peter-S
You seem to have most of it covered. The brakes can be left as they are, it's the servo that is different. I forget what carb you have but you want a 32/36 weber on a 2.0. If that's not what you have then you need an inlet manifold as well.
Re: Engine Swap - Pinto 1600 to Pinto 2000
Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 2:53 am
by Cosmicbike
Thanks. I have a 32/36 already on the 1600 so aside from changing 1 jet it's a straight swap. Do I actually need to change the servo, or will the current one be ok?
Re: Engine Swap - Pinto 1600 to Pinto 2000
Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 4:00 am
by Peter-S
Cosmicbike wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2019 2:53 am
Thanks. I have a 32/36 already on the 1600 so aside from changing 1 jet it's a straight swap. Do I actually need to change the servo, or will the current one be ok?
Carry on as is. I had a 1600 set up on my for years as that started life as a 2.0. You might want to upgrade in the future as more power can show up the limitation of Capri brakes though!
Re: Engine Swap - Pinto 1600 to Pinto 2000
Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 12:35 pm
by D366Y
Surely if you're going for a 2litre you need to get some 40s or 45 sidedraughts!!
Re: Engine Swap - Pinto 1600 to Pinto 2000
Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 2:19 pm
by Cosmicbike
D366Y wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2019 12:35 pm
Surely if you're going for a 2litre you need to get some 40s or 45 sidedraughts!!
One step at a time
Re: Engine Swap - Pinto 1600 to Pinto 2000
Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 2:20 pm
by Cosmicbike
Peter-S wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2019 4:00 am
Cosmicbike wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2019 2:53 am
Thanks. I have a 32/36 already on the 1600 so aside from changing 1 jet it's a straight swap. Do I actually need to change the servo, or will the current one be ok?
Carry on as is. I had a 1600 set up on my for years as that started life as a 2.0. You might want to upgrade in the future as more power can show up the limitation of Capri brakes though!
Splendid. I'll keep eyes peeled for a 2ltr servo as I gather they are not the easiest thing to come by. Either that or look into adding an inline booster thingy.
Re: Engine Swap - Pinto 1600 to Pinto 2000
Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2019 5:19 pm
by Not_Anumber
Reading you asking about whether to upgrade the disks and drums made me wonder how much bhp differential you are actually expecting.
Though the standard 1.6 was only 73bhp this rises quickly when a 32/36 carb is added and a bit more when the 2 litre camshaft is used- this is the spec of the 1.6 S engine which delivered only 10 bhp shy of the 2 litre.
If you already have the 32/36 carb you will find that just swapping to a 2 litre camshaft (or better still a fast road cam) and say adding a tubular exhaust manifold will easily get you up to standard 2 litre power.
If you want a noticeable power increase without much extra work look out for a pinto from a 2.0 i Sierra or Granada. A standard inlet manifold and carb will still fit but the better head design and cam profile will easily give you another 10bhp over a Capri 2 litre.
Re: Engine Swap - Pinto 1600 to Pinto 2000
Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2019 5:33 pm
by Cosmicbike
Not_Anumber wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 5:19 pm
Reading you asking about whether to upgrade the disks and drums made me wonder how much bhp differential you are actually expecting.
Though the standard 1.6 was only 73bhp this rises quickly when a 32/36 carb is added and a bit more when the 2 litre camshaft is used- this is the spec of the 1.6 S engine which delivered only 10 bhp shy of the 2 litre.
If you already have the 32/36 carb you will find that just swapping to a 2 litre camshaft (or better still a fast road cam) and say adding a tubular exhaust manifold will easily get you up to standard 2 litre power.
If you want a noticeable power increase without much extra work look out for a pinto from a 2.0 i Sierra or Granada. A standard inlet manifold and carb will still fit but the better head design and cam profile will easily give you another 10bhp over a Capri 2 litre.
Not so much after extra power, but want to go to an un-modified 'known' engine, and it gives me something to fiddle with when I get bored with welding
The current 1.6 has a large valve head (similar sizes to a GT), 32/36 carb and an unknown, but non-standard cam. I have a slip of paper which states 106bhp, but no graph so might just be a doodle from the past. Nothing wrong with it since I rebuilt the head, it's actually running really nicely now.
Re: Engine Swap - Pinto 1600 to Pinto 2000
Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 6:45 pm
by D366Y
I had a rolling road session that put out 105bop - 1.6, 2.0l cam, 32/36 carb and spoertex exhaust
You can easily have fun with a1.6 - side draughts are next!!
Re: Engine Swap - Pinto 1600 to Pinto 2000
Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 7:46 pm
by Cosmicbike
D366Y wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 6:45 pm
I had a rolling road session that put out 105bop - 1.6, 2.0l cam, 32/36 carb and spoertex exhaust
You can easily have fun with a1.6 - side draughts are next!!
Oops, bit late now. Just collected an 85k miles 2.0, ex-2.0S motor. It's still in the van, I'm working out how on earth to get it back out, somewhat heavier than I thought
Re: Engine Swap - Pinto 1600 to Pinto 2000
Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 9:06 pm
by D366Y
Cosmicbike wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 7:46 pm
D366Y wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 6:45 pm
I had a rolling road session that put out 105bop - 1.6, 2.0l cam, 32/36 carb and spoertex exhaust
You can easily have fun with a1.6 - side draughts are next!!
Oops, bit late now. Just collected an 85k miles 2.0, ex-2.0S motor. It's still in the van, I'm working out how on earth to get it back out, somewhat heavier than I thought
Better get down the gym then!!
Re: Engine Swap - Pinto 1600 to Pinto 2000
Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2019 7:11 am
by Cosmicbike
D366Y wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 9:06 pm
Cosmicbike wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 7:46 pm
D366Y wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 6:45 pm
I had a rolling road session that put out 105bop - 1.6, 2.0l cam, 32/36 carb and spoertex exhaust
You can easily have fun with a1.6 - side draughts are next!!
Oops, bit late now. Just collected an 85k miles 2.0, ex-2.0S motor. It's still in the van, I'm working out how on earth to get it back out, somewhat heavier than I thought
Better get down the gym then!!
Oh no, can't do the gym, too many blokes looking at themselves in mirrors
I'm lucky enough to have an engine hoist. Unfortunately it is a colleagues house having removed the V8 from his Stag. And I can't collect it as it goes in the van, which has an engine in it!! My 15 year old lad is lump, so I'll pop the head off the block and I reckon we'll manage it. Where to store said engine is a different matter entirely..
Re: Engine Swap - Pinto 1600 to Pinto 2000
Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2019 8:22 am
by Mc Tool
Cosmicbike wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2019 7:11 am
Oh no, can't do the gym, too many blokes looking at themselves in mirrors
Do you live in Stoke on Trent ?
Re: Engine Swap - Pinto 1600 to Pinto 2000
Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2019 9:08 am
by stevemarl
Mc Tool wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2019 8:22 am
Do you live in Stoke on Trent ?
Is that the male equivalent of Hebden Bridge?
Re: Engine Swap - Pinto 1600 to Pinto 2000
Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2019 10:33 am
by Cosmicbike
Mc Tool wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2019 8:22 am
Cosmicbike wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2019 7:11 am
Oh no, can't do the gym, too many blokes looking at themselves in mirrors
Do you live in Stoke on Trent ?
Cripes that's 'oop North' for me. Surrey lad me, it's the snowflakes that fancy themselves in our local gym, so I stick with being a lycra lout and decorating as exercise.
Re: Engine Swap - Pinto 1600 to Pinto 2000
Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2019 11:18 am
by pbar
Messing around with cars gives me aches in muscles which don't even react to a week long workout in a gym!
Re: Engine Swap - Pinto 1600 to Pinto 2000
Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2019 1:24 pm
by andyd
pbar wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2019 11:18 am
Messing around with cars gives me aches in muscles which don't even react to a week long workout in a gym!
Do ya feel achy Punk?
Re: Engine Swap - Pinto 1600 to Pinto 2000
Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2019 5:04 pm
by 340truck
Two people can easily lift a pinto....rope around it as if you're using a hoist, fence post or similar through the rope and one person either end of the post.
And fit the 2.0...the specs given for the 1600 are accurate with those simple mods....ask Dan about the one I built for him....but as far as you can go with it. Lairy cams are risky, not much valve clearance if you mess about with lift and duration. Whereas the 2...well, no stopping really. Only the depth of your pocket restricts the power available.
Re: Engine Swap - Pinto 1600 to Pinto 2000
Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 10:02 am
by Cosmicbike
pbar wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2019 11:18 am
Messing around with cars gives me aches in muscles which don't even react to a week long workout in a gym!
Need a like button for that. I was thinking "Left Turn Clyde" but that's probably a different film..