Modernising the Ford Capri

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Modernising the Ford Capri

Postby CazzaBee » Mon Jan 28, 2019 3:02 pm

Hi All,

Im looking at purchisng a 2.0 Laser Fastback, but would like to modernise the capri as it would be ideally a daily driver.

To a lot of peoples horror.. i would like to retrofit ABS and ESP, modern ecu and power steering.

Not sure how many people have done this, if at all! but would love some feedback to see if it feesable.

Thanks

Cazza

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Re: Modernising the Ford Capri

Postby pbar » Mon Jan 28, 2019 3:20 pm

It's a classic car, don't modernise it.

If you want modern features, just get a modern car, simple really.

It doesn't need it anyway, I've used mine as a daily, and it's very standard, and it was great.

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Re: Modernising the Ford Capri

Postby Paul G » Mon Jan 28, 2019 4:46 pm

:agree: If you want all that electric trickery then stick to your Focus or buy a modern sports coupe like the Scirrocco. If you still want a Capri then upgrade your arm and leg muscles and learn to drive one as it was intended.

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Re: Modernising the Ford Capri

Postby andyd » Mon Jan 28, 2019 5:05 pm

pbar wrote:It's a classic car, don't modernise it.

If you want modern features, just get a modern car, simple really.

It doesn't need it anyway, I've used mine as a daily, and it's very standard, and it was great.

Paul G wrote::agree: If you want all that electric trickery then stick to your Focus or buy a modern sports coupe like the Scirrocco. If you still want a Capri then upgrade your arm and leg muscles and learn to drive one as it was intended.


:sorry: But I have to agree.

Part of the fun is driving these cars without the mod cons.

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Re: Modernising the Ford Capri

Postby D366Y » Mon Jan 28, 2019 5:20 pm

CazzaBee wrote:Hi All,

Im looking at purchisng a 2.0 Laser Fastback, but would like to modernise the capri as it would be ideally a daily driver.

To a lot of peoples horror.. i would like to retrofit ABS and ESP, modern ecu and power steering.

Not sure how many people have done this, if at all! but would love some feedback to see if it feesable.

Thanks

Cazza


Do you mind if I ask why...? Like everyone else, I don't really see why? Had mine as a daily for almost 7years and never had a problem where I needed/wanted it to have ABS/ESP - I always figured it didn't need it and if I did then I'd get another car ahah

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Re: Modernising the Ford Capri

Postby Jasonmarie » Mon Jan 28, 2019 5:31 pm

I suppose you could fit a Zetec engine but it takes the fun away ..... save your money and get a cheap run around
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Re: Modernising the Ford Capri

Postby 340truck » Mon Jan 28, 2019 9:13 pm

ABS? ESP? Hours and hours of hassle even if it could be done .
Power Steering? Possible with some effort but all three are a complete waste of time.

Suspect this is a wind up but if not let's welcome another muppet to the Laser Page.
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Re: Modernising the Ford Capri

Postby Peter-S » Mon Jan 28, 2019 11:11 pm

A bit like Dave I wonder if this is serious but ...

Most things can be done to a Capri. There's monstrous engines, 4wd and stuff so you can undoubtedly do want you want but it won't be bolt on bits so you're looking at a lot of work and probably expense. At this point, much as others have said, I don't see that point. You will be taking away the essence of the original car. Of course it would be your car so good luck with any conversion but I would say that I have had my 2.0 18 years this year during which time I have had several much newer and even new cars often with more whistles and bells than is really necessary. At no time have I ever wished that the Capri was more like one of my daily drivers.
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Re: Modernising the Ford Capri

Postby pbar » Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:37 am

Just to also add, that he/she hasn't got the Capri yet, and probably heard everyone saying how bad a car is with no ABS, no power steering, and so on, which as we know just isn't the case.

I can honestly say, my standard headlights, standard brakes, standard dash, standard steering (with correct tyres) have just never been an issue, I have driven in all weathers, all seasons, and those things have never been a concern.

I went out for a fun runaround last night in the dark for half an hour or so, snowed a little, but it's so much fun driving these cars, can't believe how much enjoyment it gives.

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Re: Modernising the Ford Capri

Postby Brooksy » Tue Jan 29, 2019 5:00 pm

Agree with the others.

As a 2.0 laser owner now and a former 2.0s owner, I have to say that I love the set up as it is. (Both standard). No they're not as cosetting as a modern car but it's not fair to compare it to one.

I also drive the modern family hatch with the PAS, EBD, ABS etc etc but when driving my Capri, it a different experience. You just adapt and are mindful of the fact you don't have all the modern kit (none the worse for it either I might add). I didn't buy the Capri to get a modern car feel. I bought a Capri because I love owning/driving one, simple as.

As already said by others here, it's up to you what you do but in my opinion, installing all the kit you mention, defeats the object.

If you want PAS as a minimum and budget will allow, consider a 2.8i or 3.0 Ghia/S.

Capri or not to Capri.

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Re: Modernising the Ford Capri

Postby Brooksy » Tue Jan 29, 2019 5:01 pm

:agree:
pbar wrote:Just to also add, that he/she hasn't got the Capri yet, and probably heard everyone saying how bad a car is with no ABS, no power steering, and so on, which as we know just isn't the case.

I can honestly say, my standard headlights, standard brakes, standard dash, standard steering (with correct tyres) have just never been an issue, I have driven in all weathers, all seasons, and those things have never been a concern.

I went out for a fun runaround last night in the dark for half an hour or so, snowed a little, but it's so much fun driving these cars, can't believe how much enjoyment it gives.
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Re: Modernising the Ford Capri

Postby fordperv » Tue Jan 29, 2019 5:42 pm

Why would you even want to???? :headscratch:

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Re: Modernising the Ford Capri

Postby Not_Anumber » Wed Jan 30, 2019 9:59 am

Cazza, I hope you can return to the forum to discuss through your ideas.
Modification is possible but you would need to assess the cost versus benefit of each. There are enough modified capris around but most of these are resto mods, in other words cars that were in need of restoration and have been modified during that process e.g the engine was knackered so a choice was made to fit a Zetec rather than rebuild the original pinto etc

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Re: Modernising the Ford Capri

Postby stevemarl » Wed Jan 30, 2019 12:45 pm

TBH, the very fact you`re actually asking if it can be done suggests that you don`t really have any idea of the MASSIVE complexity of ESP, specifically. Every single aspect of the car`s dynamics, pitch, yaw accel, decel..... all measured - and many will incorporate factors such as vehicle mass, weight distribution etc etc. into the algorithms. Just as a single example: the ecu knows where the front wheels are pointing because there is a sensor on the column telling it the steering wheel`s position. If you change any factor, the rack ratio, suspension, geometry, wheels - all it`s calculations are going to be `off` and you`ll have made the vehicle less safe than a Capri. What I`m trying to get across is ..... anything CAN be sorted, other than death and taxes, it can all be done. But even if you succeeded in grafting all the bits onto a Capri, honestly, you`d spend the rest of your life getting it to work correctly: I suspect you don`t have the resources, test beds, test tracks that Ford. Mercedes etc have at their disposal? . Capris are great as they are, try one - they`re fun! The electronic stuff only comes in to save nobs from themselves.
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Re: Modernising the Ford Capri

Postby ThatGuy » Wed Jan 30, 2019 12:57 pm

The fuck the matter with everyone? If he buys a capri and wants to do anything to it why wouldn't everyone just give useful info/links instead of telling them it's a stupid idea and dont do it it's a classic.

Don't get me wrong I agree with Brooksy as in if you havnt driven a capri atall and just think it'll be shit then go test drive loads and see what works and what doesn't, if you still want to change things then do what the fuck you want, there is plenty of useful info on here, capripower, retroford and load of other forums so I'd plaster your questions on any and all forums and see what answers you get
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Re: Modernising the Ford Capri

Postby CazzaBee » Wed Jan 30, 2019 1:17 pm

Hi all,

Really appreciate the feedback and apologies for not replying a lot sooner ( work has been a bit hectic!). First thing to say is the post wasnt a wind up and more just a geniune question.

I have been doing my research on getting a capri and have stalked this forum for a while looking at pros and cons.

I guess the main reason i had this thought - and as some of you corecctly said, i do not have any experience in cars at all - is to have a capri as my main/daily car and run it in all weather conditions and not wake up on a monday morning and thinking how greasy is the road going to be around a roundabout.

Ill still end up purchasing a capri if these mods are going to be insane to do/ not worth the effort, but might not be a few years down the road when i can justify having a weekend car.

Appreciate everyones input regardless, some good comments to read through.

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Re: Modernising the Ford Capri

Postby andyd » Wed Jan 30, 2019 1:30 pm

CazzaBee wrote:Hi all,

Really appreciate the feedback and apologies for not replying a lot sooner ( work has been a bit hectic!). First thing to say is the post wasnt a wind up and more just a geniune question.

I have been doing my research on getting a capri and have stalked this forum for a while looking at pros and cons.

I guess the main reason i had this thought - and as some of you corecctly said, i do not have any experience in cars at all - is to have a capri as my main/daily car and run it in all weather conditions and not wake up on a monday morning and thinking how greasy is the road going to be around a roundabout.

Ill still end up purchasing a capri if these mods are going to be insane to do/ not worth the effort, but might not be a few years down the road when i can justify having a weekend car.

Appreciate everyones input regardless, some good comments to read through.

Welcome to the forum.
A few people on here drive their Capri on a daily/weekly basis, and if it's looked after as you would any car there's no reason it should let you down.
Don't get me wrong, it's a million miles away from driving a newer car, even down to the seating position and narrow windscreen etc, and you sometimes have to plan ahead somewhat in the braking and steering areas :lol:

Maybe drive a couple to see if it's really for you, and if so buy the best Capri you can afford, and if you go for a 2.8 or 3.0 you will at least have power steering :cheers:
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Re: Modernising the Ford Capri

Postby D366Y » Wed Jan 30, 2019 1:30 pm

CazzaBee wrote:I guess the main reason i had this thought - and as some of you corecctly said, i do not have any experience in cars at all - is to have a capri as my main/daily car and run it in all weather conditions and not wake up on a monday morning and thinking how greasy is the road going to be around a roundabout.


I still drive mine everyday regardless of the weather - had two inches of snow last night so I drove home in it first off, then drove again this morning on some very icy roads - if you drive sensibly then I don't think you need any of the modern razz?

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Re: Modernising the Ford Capri

Postby pbar » Wed Jan 30, 2019 1:38 pm

D366Y wrote:
I still drive mine everyday regardless of the weather - had two inches of snow last night so I drove home in it first off, then drove again this morning on some very icy roads - if you drive sensibly then I don't think you need any of the modern razz?


Respect for driving yours all the time Danny, love it when I see people doing that. I've driven a Capri also in just the weather you are describing. And not once did I think oh no how can I cope! I honestly have never had an issue nor did I ever consider that 'this would be better in a modern car'.

It does bewilder me when I see comments like I wish to drive my Capri a lot so I'm 'upgrading' this and that. It's simply not required and I just don't see the point.

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Re: Modernising the Ford Capri

Postby pbar » Wed Jan 30, 2019 1:47 pm

CazzaBee wrote:Hi all,

Really appreciate the feedback and apologies for not replying a lot sooner


Thanks for coming back and I hope you don't think that the comments are an attack, it's a nice friendly bunch around here, a good forum to be a part of and people are just honest without the bull. You have an interest in the Capri and that makes you a welcome part of it :)

In all honestly, I personally feel that once you have a Capri and have driven it for a little while and got used to it, then you will be wondering why you made the initial post in the first place. Personally I love the driving experience and wouldn't want to change anything, whether driving as a daily or now and again.