Paint problem

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Re: Paint problem

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Which polish would you recommend?
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There are none which I would recommend, as I think they all contain wax. Although I haven't tried that many. If you put wax on your car then it's probable for this to happen again and you will find yourself in the same pickle. They may get progressively harder to get rid of too, that seems to be the case with someone else I know who does keep trying alternate wax/polish options on his MX5. His car/paint suffers from the same type 3 spots.

Please can you tell me, did you use to use any polishing/cleaning products before you gave the car to the 'cleaner'. And which (if any) car shampoo do you use. Thanks.
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I only use turtle wax car shampoo. I did use Mer car polish but ran out so chucked it. In the two years I've owned it I've never had a problem. I can only think it has reacted to the carnauba wax?
One thing I do remember him telling me is, he was putting a sealer on it but left the paintwork looking matt so he took it off. Only on one side though. Its getting to the point were im thinking about getting it te sprayed.
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I am not familiar with the Mer polish, but wonder if that does not contain much wax? In any case, if you never had a problem with the previous products, then I would continue to use those. In every one of these water spotting instances that I've been aware of (I've spent far too much time than is healthy previously researching this :) ) wax has been the common factor, excessive waxing especially. I would just make sure you have stripped the wax off that your cleaner put on and you will be back to normal. You could have a respray, wax it, and be in the same situation again, it's possible.
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True. But every polish now seems to have wax in it. Never encountered this before.
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Could be the level of wax I suppose? If you do decide to try other products then please do post your results. Obviously you will be staying away from the Carnuba one. And I can also confirm that Autoglym SRP can have the same issue.
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Just reading through this thread thinking to myself I've never had a problem waxing any cars I own... Then realised of course the original paint from factory would be solid paint method, not the modern clear coat finish, yeah?

Is this why wax is causing so many issues for people?
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Hi Matt. It is possible that this issue is common to paint without a clear coat yes, or at least it could be one of the ingredients. I did ask if this car had a clear coat (with it being a 2.8 Injection Special I was unsure), but don't think I got a reply on that.
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I honestly don't know about clear coat. My knowledge of bodywork is pretty lousy to say the least!
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If you have ever seen any of the car's colour on a cloth whilst polishing it, then it will have no clear coat.
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Ok. When I was using the G3 there was paint on the applicator. So, I probably don't have then.
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Re: Paint problem

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Hi,
Have you ever tried a paintwork sealant such as Autoglym Extra Gloss Protection?
http://www.autoglym.com/products/produc ... ry-edition

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Could give it a go. No harm in trying! Thanks.
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Thanks for reply about the clear coat. Could certainly be a common factor with this kind of water spotting then, as every instance I've been aware of so far does seem to be single stage paint as far as I can tell, i.e. no clear coat. As regards to the sealant, your cleaner did try one didn't he, but took it off again due to giving the car a dull look.
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Yes mate, no sealer.
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Well. After 2 days of de-greasing and g3 polishing I think I've finally got rid of the dreaded water marks. there is still a couple of small areas that need re-doing but over all I'm really pleased. Thank you so much for your help and advice. Especially pbar. I owe you a pint or two!
Next on the agenda is to buy an orbital polisher. Really want to give it a good going over because my arms are killing me!
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My saph is solid colour no clear, I polish it with Farecla wax top and have never suffered this problem, I also use black top hand glaze
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Re: Paint problem

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Stish704 wrote:Next on the agenda is to buy an orbital polisher.
Hi,
I've got my eye on one of those. Please let us know what model you buy, and more importantly, if it's any good or not!

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Just doing my homework now Andrew. I'll let you know in due course!
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Stish704 wrote:Thank you so much for your help and advice. Especially pbar. I owe you a pint or two!
Next on the agenda is to buy an orbital polisher.
Cheers :) No problem at all, it's not a common problem this, I'm pleased that you were able to get rid of them. A lot of people seem to strip the paint back when they have these, as they just can't find another solution.

Our old friend Aldi have had car polishers in recently, definitely worth a look.
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