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 Post subject: fuelling an EFI
PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 5:44 pm 
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OK
Apart from the obvious what fuel line do I need to run under the car to fuel the EFI system
I already have the 2.8I tank that part that prevent fuel lock (forget the name) the bits at the front end for the fuel filter.
however trying to get the two lines for between the front and rear is a nightmare
I have no idea what's legal what sizes pressure E.T.C YET none of the books give this information so I am beyond lost.
So info please will want to get things set-up ASAP.
Oh and I've been in contact with the likes of Caprigear and others, they all tell me they ain't allowed to sell them on.
And you try and find a 2.8I breaking ATM.
The ones near me are owned by people who think a full rotted out wreck is worth over a £K
So info other help etc.


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 Post subject: Re: fuelling an EFI
PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 6:52 pm 
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Yo,

I wouldn't bother getting genuine Capri Injection lines. The genuine ones are hard plastic, these days you can get rubber injection fuel hose. The problem with the genuine hard plastic lines is that they are interference fit, which means they push into connectors and generally don't come off again with no need for a jubilee clip. This was fine when they were new, but they have gone hard with age and I found it impossible to get them onto the connectors. So better going for new rubber line.

Most good motorfactors should have a roll of it and you can buy it by the meter. I think when I got some last I went for the 6mm bore stuff. The Capri (Bosch) injection pump runs at about 90psi, most good fuel line will be capable of 150psi. Just make sure you get fuel line that is suitable for these pressures. Fuel line for carbs is only good for about 50psi.

You can even get expensive fuel hose with metal braiding over it to protect it, have a look on ebay, more expensive though.

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 Post subject: Re: fuelling an EFI
PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 3:27 pm 
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Also after you've measured it with a bit of string, add another yard before buying. You'll always find a use for a bit of spare pipe but it would be frustrating to thread it all along the car and find it's an inch short and you need to get another full length!
You might find your local parts shop has a reel of hose with branf name and serial number on it but no psi info. Get them to search google on the chop computer with any brand / serial number plus "psi" or write the available details down and check it yourself - worked for me.

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 Post subject: Re: fuelling an EFI
PostPosted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 9:08 am 
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Do I really have to use the 2.8I stuff???
Not only I look at it all and think HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM not really the best place for it.
But the idea I have in mind may cost a few quid more but would serve better in the long run.
My idea is to use a 2litre tank and have a fuel pump run off that lines under the car to filter then on to the injection unit BUT I believe I need a swirl pot between the pump and the injection unit-as I understand it this is the same set-up used for throttle bodies and they work fine and the ford EFI is a throttle body when you really look at it.


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 Post subject: Re: fuelling an EFI
PostPosted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 2:38 pm 
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Yes, you need a swirl pot, unless you plan to never let the fuel level in your tank go below about 1/3. Otherwise air will get sucked in on cornering.

I wouldn't bother with getting bits of a 2.8. If you can get a good 2.8 tank (they have an internal swirl pot) for a good price then go for it, but they tend to catch muck of the road around the fuel pump and rot out there.

Do a google image search for swirl pot for some diagrams of connecting one up. Check ebay for cheap swirl pots and fuel pumps. You could either mount it in the engine bay or find a good spot under the car, like where the fuel accumulator goes on the 2.8 (which you don't need for EFI):
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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2lt-Bulkhead-Moun ... _711wt_913

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 Post subject: Re: fuelling an EFI
PostPosted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 6:29 pm 
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Beakster let me see if I am reading you right
All I really need to fuel the Pinto EFI is the 2.8I tank (which I have) the fuel pump and the filter I don't need that fuel accumulator.
Are you running this on you cossie??


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 Post subject: Re: fuelling an EFI
PostPosted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 6:40 pm 
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Hey,

My Cossie was a 2.8 to start with so I'm using the system that is in place.

Capri Andy fitted a 2.9 EFI to his 2.0 Laser. He put a 2.8 tank and pump on and replaced the old fuel hose with high pressure injection hose. He used a fuel filter from a Granada.

James that was in the East Berks club put a Cossie in his mk1 Capri. He did this with a low pressure (lift) pump, swirl pot, injection pump.

Like I said, if you can find a good 2.8 tank for a good price then thats a nice way to do it. Otherwise get a swirl pot.

You don't need the fuel lines from a 2.8 and I would advise against using them, use new injection hose instead. You don't need the fuel accumulator from a 2.8 if you are going EFI. You don't need a fuel filter from a 2.8, these are available new from motorfactors and many other places.

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 Post subject: Re: fuelling an EFI
PostPosted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 6:47 pm 
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Just spotted you said you already have a 2.8 tank....

In that case, bolt the 2.8 tank in place, make sure you have the fuel pump bracket, get a 2.8 fuel pump:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/FORD-CAPRI-2-8-in ... _738wt_913

Get an injection fuel filter and put it where ever you like, under the car would be good as it would be hidden, or bolted to the inner wing like the 2.8. So fuel hose goes Tank -> Pump -> Filter -> Fuel rail on engine. Then you will have a return line going from the fuel rail to the tank. The return line doesnt have to be high pressure.

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 Post subject: Re: fuelling an EFI
PostPosted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 7:02 pm 
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Cool nice one
just PM'd Andy see how he find the system in general along with the wiring of the fuel pump
think I've got the basic but now just work out this safety switch thing.
I am very new to this EFI thing.


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 Post subject: Re: fuelling an EFI
PostPosted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 7:06 pm 
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When you say "safety switch" do you mean the inertia cut off? I'm not using one and I'm pretty sure Andy isn't either, that said though it is a good idea to use one.

My pump is wired as per the 24v Cosworth wiring diagram, so there is a wire from the fuel pump relay to the pump, and the other side of the pump is earthed. I'm using the fuel pump relay from the Granada, not the original Capri one.

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 Post subject: Re: fuelling an EFI
PostPosted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 7:18 pm 
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I believe that would be it, I would have figured that ford would have the fuel pump wired off the ECU.
I would just rather that if something does happen I wont have much fuel getting chucked all over the place.


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