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stevemarl wrote: ↑Tue Feb 11, 2020 7:59 pm

Jasonmarie wrote: ↑Tue Feb 11, 2020 7:53 pm I also spray the wheel arches with the rust blocker on the Capri every winter lay up .

Yep, that`s the sort of thing I was thinking of.
You`re the forum horologist?

Now clock oil there’s a story

Fordoholic Nick wrote: ↑Tue Feb 11, 2020 8:41 pm ot heard it called this before Steve

We live and learn Nick, we live and learn

Fordoholic Nick wrote: ↑Tue Feb 11, 2020 8:41 pm Now clock oil there’s a story

Do you do ancient grandfather type things, or more watches? And do i get one free question?

Have done grandfather clocks but they don’t like heat and cold so can really be a pain in the backside to set up , also having the space to work on them . But yes my bread and butter is pocket watches or clocks . High end watch’s and clocks are worth having serviced any thing under £200 to £500 then it might cost more to get working as parts have to be made and jewels have become expensive .
But yes ask away any questions I can only say I have not got a clue .

I won’t go on a WD-40 rant but what does does everybody use the stuff for? It’s ok for displacing moisture but not much else....

For a quick spray on corrosion protector ACF-50 is good stuff:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/ACF-50-Motorcy ... 729&sr=8-3

I use GT85 for general light lube and penetrating purposes (ooh err!).

mjcapri wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2020 5:59 am I won’t go on a WD-40 rant but what does does everybody use the stuff for? It’s ok for displacing moisture but not much else....

HI, thanks for bringing this back to topic. I get through loads of the stuff, many of us do. It does seem to help loads getting stuck/awkward parts off, although I do know there are many products out there for this. I use it to clean with also, not only parts that are going back on but wiping the engine/bay with a WD-40 soaked cloth works wonders for example. And as mentioned, a spray on the vulnerable parts over winter too. It soon gets used up!

It`s a useful general purpose water displacer/penetrating oil/lube. It`s not the absolute best at any one thing, but it does them all reasonably well which is why everyone has a tin. I`ve got shelves full of greases and oils, but if you`ve not got that much space (or interest) WD does most things reasonably well. A bit like the Ford Escort of the oil world.
Back off topic (although it is mechanical so may be of interest?)
Jason,
I have a grand-daughter clock from when my uncle died. It all works except (contradiction) it always stops at 57 past the hour, as it starts to activate the hourly chime mechanism. If I take off the pendulum (so it runs at 3x speed) it WILL get past this point and complete the cycle. When it reaches 57, normally, the finger stops moving but the escapement continues for a time - sometimes it will eventually overcome the resistance and begin to move again past the hour: but mostly it eventually stops. If you move the finger by hand you can feel definite resistance at 57. What I wondered was: as the finger stops but ticking continues, there must be some kind of `slipping` point in the drive (as otherwise the ticking would stop when the fingers stop?) OR, is there something slipping which shouldn`t? It all moves so slowly it`s really hard to tell what`s driving what, but should there be some point at whih the drive to the fingers can `slip`? (The Westminster chimes all work (1/4, 1/2, 3/4) without a problem, BTW, but turned off at moment.) I know it`s probably impossible to diagnose like this, just wondered if anything obvious sprang to mind.

Could be a few things if a simple mechanism like a smiths or German HAC with the Westminster there should be 3 key winding holes ,have you let the chimes run out of steam or does it have a chimes on / off leaver on the clock face ?
Or do you have a two key winding where it chimes or wind . .? Or a posh clock will have a round chime dial with a fast and slow dial on the clock ?
Quick Top Tip on old clocks never turn the clock hands anti clockwise “ they say it’s unlucky “ but will knock a cog out or brass sleeves depends how old the clock is . That can cause a sticking .
But there is sometimes on a granddaughter clock or grandfather a lock / hands what will be on the left hand side of the back of the clock .
This also can cause a freeze of hands .
If it’s 57 all the time it does sound like the teeth of the 2nd or 3rd wheel

No WD40 in a clock as well just to stay on topic .

Also sorry how old is the clock

Thanks Jason, all I know is my Aunty & Uncle had it at least as long as I`ve been alive, so at least 20years... OK 60 years! I know it`s not antique but maybe early 20th century? It IS solid rather than plywood. Spring driven, not weights, and a `conventional toothed wheel/ rocker escapement (don`t know the terms). It does have 3 holes: clock, hour chime and Westminster. The Westminster/Winchester has a lever which turns those chimes off: they work off a drum with pins (like a musical box) selected by a dial at the top. As I say they`re no problem, it`s just the hour chime which is dragging so much that it`s stopping. So you think the 2nd or 3rd wheel - is that from the coil spring or from the escapement? I`ll get it out this weekend and have a proper look.
I know you can`t diagnose but that IS actuallyquite helpful, at least I`ve an idea where to start. Cheers!

stevemarl wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2020 7:15 pm Thanks Jason, all I know is my Aunty & Uncle had it at least as long as I`ve been alive, so at least 20years... OK 60 years! I know it`s not antique but maybe early 20th century? It IS solid rather than plywood. Spring driven, not weights, and a `conventional toothed wheel/ rocker escapement (don`t know the terms). It does have 3 holes: clock, hour chime and Westminster. The Westminster/Winchester has a lever which turns those chimes off: they work off a drum with pins (like a musical box) selected by a dial at the top. As I say they`re no problem, it`s just the hour chime which is dragging so much that it`s stopping. So you think the 2nd or 3rd wheel - is that from the coil spring or from the escapement? I`ll get it out this weekend and have a proper look.
I know you can`t diagnose but that IS actuallyquite helpful, at least I`ve an idea where to start. Cheers!

Hope it’s something easy like good old dirt but I guess it needs a full service and clean , I say take as many pictures as you can if you start taking things apart and make sure the springs are unwind .

the degreaser usually on sale for about 3 bucks a can , comes with a real fire hose nozzle , but if you sub a crc nozzle with the straw it last way longer and can be used for more accurate shots , awesome stuff for cleaning out fuel galleries in carbs and finding out where the passages actually go ( you can see it coming out the other end ). Its also water soluble and dries to nothing. long life stays put for ages and dries to about the same as 30w motor oil , great for storing guns , tools and parts etc

It does many things - yes, all things that other products will do better - but as a multipurpose thing to keep in the back of the car, or toolbox, it's incredibly useful.

Mc Tool wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2020 8:44 pm awesome stuff for cleaning out fuel galleries in carbs and finding out where the passages actually go ( you can see it coming out the other end ). Its also water soluble and dries to nothing. long life stays put for ages and dries to about the same as 30w motor oil , great for storing guns , tools and parts etc

Sounds great, too bad they don't sell it in the UK.
Here's another product that we can't get over here, can you buy this stuff in NZ?



I've no real need for it, but I think a can would look great on a shelf in the garage!

Andrew.

Yes back in the day I would have used this

Yep ,we get that here too. The nulon stuff and the sca stuff is aussie but the crc you should be able to get , not everyone here stocks it so it aint that common .
Want me to send you some of these products ,I can find out how much to send if you give me a post code and let you know .

Jasonmarie wrote: ↑Tue Feb 11, 2020 6:21 pm I don’t really use WD40 I do have a tin but that’s for the stupid hinges on these new PVC plastic doors we have .
I use XCP oil sprays for all them little jobs I did a test with there rust blocker on a outside clock a few years ago and it’s still going strong

JUst an update. February I actually set up an experiment, cleaned up 4 small sheets of mild steel, degreased and abraded. gave one 2 coats of WD40, one 2 coats XCP, one 2 coats spray clear Waxoyl and one untreated as a control. After 10 months of Manchester rain, the XCP has completely prevented any rusting at all, the Waxoyl has started to rust underneath (WD40 was little better than the control so abandoned them in the Summer). Outstanding result, definitely somerthing to consider as a spray on for exposed metal. Plus, when set, it is a smooth, dry, non-tacky clear coating.
if you Google it, there are also motorcycle mags who`ve done more extensive tests and reached the same conclusion.
So, thanks Jason!!!

That is a great test , and great result I spray XCP under my car when I lay her up at winter and it just leaves a fine film over the metal . Great results and made my dad I am doing something right

Just another update on this XCP stuff: this has been in the garden since February, i/2 treated 1/2 not. This stuff does seem to be exceptional, sets dry, non-sticky & almost transparent and there`s no `creep` at the edges, for anything underneath (suspension, brake pipes, ferrules etc) this would seem the perfect solution. Very impressed. Thanks again to Jason!

stevemarl wrote: ↑Sat Aug 21, 2021 12:08 am Just another update on this XCP stuff: this has been in the garden since February, i/2 treated 1/2 not. This stuff does seem to be exceptional, sets dry, non-sticky & almost transparent and there`s no `creep` at the edges, for anything underneath (suspension, brake pipes, ferrules etc) this would seem the perfect solution. Very impressed. Thanks again to Jason!

A great test and result beats WD40 any day

Jason,
the white marked area on the RH side is where I sprayed a bit of WD40 - as you can see it did nothing! Brilliant stuff, wish I`d known about it years ago!