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Wor Lass got made redundant today. The director of her work is a shit. Ran over budget for five years and has now to make savings (this is round one as they are still working on the old budget, not the post recession new budget) so people get sacked. Its funny how her post was funded by a different funding stream and similar posts were exempted...

...and how the first two to go are part time workers...

...and mams...

...he's made addresses in the office to all the full time staff on days when Lisa was off...

...ACAS?


Anyhoo,
looks like I'll be selling a zetec (with pinto clutch fitted), loom, manifolds, lock, ecu, key and two type nines.

Bollocks! Just as I'd saved enough money to make a splash as well...
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acas= :turd:
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dixy1949 wrote:acas= :turd:
Feck!
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sorry to hear about your bad news m8 :evil:

everyone at the company i work at has had to take a 10% pay cut, because the company is over budget....will be reviewed after 6 months :!:

Basically im about £100 a month down, and im struggling to tell the truth :cry:

ive had to take my capri off the road (again) and also my scooter....im pottering around in a 1997 Escort 1.4 LX at the moment, luckily its quite economical and nothing has broke on it....yet, because if it does i wont be able to afford to fix it....

whatever happens though, i dont want to sell my capri though :ninja:
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thats bad news ,sorry to hear that.
its always the inocent who get hit the hardest.
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My wife's situation:
She is/ was a project worker for a local authority within a childrens' service. There are three general project workers, my wife is the only specialist project worker and has a job description separate to that of the others.
Her job is funded from a different source to theirs, that funding stream is as far as we know still ongoing.
Other roles within the service have been protected due to having external funding sources.
She worked 30 pw hours prior to maternity and then 18.5 on her return in January 2010. These were compressed into two working days.
The service has to reduce staffing as it has been running over budget (not a reduced budget, but an overspend). The Budget is controlled by the Director of service. The management structure has been patchy with her manager often being absent for lengthy periods (months) there has been no performance management following the maternity period. Two supervisions took place with the manager mainly moaning to my wife about her own health problems.

Cuts were announced. The group of project workers had to be cut by 37 hours. At this time it was noted the director had projected figures including the hours my wife gave up after maternity (30 hrs total). My wife, noted it informed work, was told the Director had noticed it too. In the Union representation, my wife asked about it "Have all the plans and calculations been going off my post being 0.8 or 0.5" His reply was "I wrote 0.8 but realise that was a mistake on my part". There was no subsequent mention that the service now needed to lose 25 hours rather than the 37 initially stated.

The project workers were invited for representations and to generate a solution themselves. My wife agreed to drop 3.5 hours, the others suggested 7 hours each. (24.5 hours total). Without consulting her they changed it to 5 hours each and 3.5 from my wife. It was rejected.

It was perhaps possible for any candidate to withdraw and take voluntary redundancy. Nobody did, although my wife seriously considered it, however chose not to as her leaving would not cover the 37 hours. Furthermore it was never an option noted in the official paperwork following the rejection of the reduced hours.

The process moved on to interview Monday 4th October and Friday 1st October there was a message from a colleague (currently on adoption leave) that the other project workers were aware that only 25 hours needed to be cut.

My wife asked prior to the interview on arriving to work if the reduction would be 37 or 25 hours and a member of administrative staff said "Well he (the director) has mentioned it" It would appear the director at some time talked to the other project workers about it in the open office on a day when my wife was not in work as a part time worker.

My wife had to apply for her post (separate job description) but using the job description of the general project workers. My wife had queried this via email and recieved a non-committal reply. At no point in the process was the specialist project worker post mentioned as a deleted or redundant post.

The interviews came and went. The process of selection as outlined by the director in the interview would "see the first candidate take their full amount of hours they work, the same for the second, the third would take what was left and the fourth would be redundant".
At the end in the questions my wife queried the variance from 37 to 25, was told 25 and instantly knew she would be made redundant. She commented on her vulnerability as a part time worker and was told that would not be the case. She highlighted the fact she had been doing a substantially different role to the others and was told that was a 'strength rather than a weakness' by the director.

My wife was deemed to be unsuccesful, feedback offered: "far behind the others, too specialised and not enough of an all-rounder" and she has discovered the other three candidates have each dropped an equal amount of hours (2.5), so presumably, they all tied as the first candidate...

Now please bear in mind that all project work is allocated by the director through the practice manager and some times directly. How then could my wife develop her specialist portfolio into a more general one? Especially she she wasn't told that she would need to.

My wife has also been told the notice period must begin on the 30th September, despite being interviewed on the 4th and informed on the 5th October.

Can we make enough of this to make him squirm?
I feel (although I am biased) that she has been set-up somewhat, but is there sufficient here to make a sound appeal or claim against the authority.

If so, on what grounds?
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Yo Johnna,
I'm not up on employment law so can help there but it reminds me of when I was plumbing at the local council in 1983 when there was a round of spending cuts. I knew things were tight and that being six months out of my apprenticeship that I was in effect the last tradesman on the books so would be first out. What really cheesed me off was the way they (the unproductive time & motion wallahs whom never produced any values for anyone but themselves) listed me as below parr for every category in the assessment. The fact that I'd got the apprentice of the year award at college and then when I joined the bonus scheme with the other tradesmen I was putting in twice as much work as them ('got told to slow down) counted for nothing. Bottom line is that if you're brown-nosing the gaffers you stay in regardless of how well you do the job.
I hope you get a favourable outcome, if not with this then with the next opportunity that comes along - one door closes, another opens. £2k grant for self employment start-ups sounds interesting...
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Sorry to hear that Johnna.....

Wor ex was on the phone just the other day having been made reduntant. She was a public sector project worker too, it was all 'overspends' and budget cuts apparently. Very similar, although in Lisa's case it appears as though she has been singled out somewhat. There's probably some politics involved somewhere, its characteristic of LA's which is why I couldn't work for one!

Employment law isn't an area I've much knowledge of, but from what you've said I suspect someone somewhere has a guilty conscience so would indeed squirm if you made a fuss. I could always dust off the law textbooks and have a look at the relevent chapters if you wanted some rough guidance, but I'd try citizens advice or an hour with a solicitor myself. ;)
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Industries can be quite small, no one knows what gets said behind the scene's.

Forget it and move on, your going to gain very little but it could be mysteriously hard for her to get work in her chosen field.
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Thanks to all for their reflections.
We shall be following it up.

Simon, thanks for the advice and I appreciate what you are saying, but in all honesty we have nothing to lose and Lisa has been wronged.

Bear in mind she works for our local authority five miles from home and needs to be handy for our lads.
She has had to travel to Portsmouth to deliver a project and when pregnant with Dan she came out of her second stay in hospital (she was reall ill) to travel to Alder Hey in Liverpool to do some project work there for a full week.

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Simon, thats another way of looking at it and I do see your point. The problem is, as Johnna has touched on, is there anywhere to 'move on' too?

Johnna, good luck hope things reach a satisfactory conclusion.
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